Tuesday, November 19, 2013

Both Sides are on the Enemy Side Now!

The realization has struck me today, that the true "problem children" in our present situation are those who use the words "feminist" and "female" interchangeably. Needless to say, it is old news that the feminists will do that. But the arrresting new insight  which I got today, is that there are people on BOTH SIDES who will do that.

Yes. On their side AND our side!

And you know what else?

BOTH groups, on BOTH sides, are a plague and a nuisance.

And I am bloody tired of them. BOTH!

All right. A kindred realization struck me today at about the same time as the first realization, namely, that there are plenty of people on BOTH sides who are not happy when you attack feminism!  Needless to say, it is old news that the feminists feel this way - indeed, from their point of view, it is quite understandable!

But the arresting new insight which I got today, is that a distinct cohort on OUR SIDE TOO will ridicule and scoff at the very idea of attacking feminism! The reason they will often give is that attacking feminism is a "waste of time", or barking up the wrong tree, or the like. Still, the bottom line is that they want to take the spotlight off of feminism.

Conclusion: a lot of people, on BOTH sides of this war, will refuse to differentiate "feminist" from "female", and will make vociferous objection to the very idea of attacking feminism.

I see a pattern here. A very serious pattern.


Anonymous gwallan said...

Welcome to the matrix.

3:19 PM  
OpenID Eric said...

On the subject of people unhappy with attacking feminism, did you happen to see this?


There's another example of the other side 'playing dirty.' It does seem to me that the 'dirty tricks bags' have really started opening up.

9:23 PM  
Blogger Mastenship said...

This is a problem I have noticed as well. Unfortunately, I am only just starting to figure out how to remove US from THEM.

2:44 AM  
Blogger ScareCrow said...

I tend to focus on "male-hatred" not feminism.

While I will admit that feminism - especially the old school brand from the 60's and 70's was a key player in this - I have to believe that it is not the main player.

The reason I focus on "male-hatred" rather than feminism - when I first stumbled on these circles, I noticed many people complaining about things that had nothing to do with male hatred.

Fat women, women's apparel, women's sexual habits - none of which had anything to do with whether or not a woman hates a man.

Look at one of the Queen feminists - Jessica Valenti. She is not fat, she does NOT dress like a slut etc...

Also, many of the blogs and whatnot that claim to be against feminism - well, maybe they are and maybe they are not.

Fact is, they seem to spend more time bashing men with TERMS THEY CREATED - like mangina, white knight, pussy beggar, vagina worshipper.

I look for male-hatred.

Now - go ahead and throw a tomato at me.

I won't care.

11:42 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


No, you don't rate a tomato.

And those terms you mention (although I don't use them much) are not "male-hating", since they are not targeting men as a class. They are only targeting certain sub-classes of men who behave in certain ways - generally treasonous ways.

No way is "white knight" male-hating. I mean, can you suggest an acceptable NON male-hating substitute for that term? We do need the terminology to talk about certain things, and when the language is not adequate to encompass the reality of people's lives, people coin new terminologies. It's a natural thing. It's what human beings do. Language is dynamic - it grows and evolves.

Whether feminism is the "main" player or not, is completely beside the point. Actually, there IS NO "main player" - there is only a SYSTEM which needs to be attacked, and feminism makes as good of an attack point as any.

Look at the amount of flack you get when you attack or even just mildly question feminism - it means that you are over the target.

Look at the amount of institutional support, institutional power-basing, and political machinery which feminism is able to muster - that should tell you something.

FEMINISM needs to be challenged, at all levels, in society. Sure, there are other problems in this world, and sure, feminism is a tool of greater powers. I've never disputed that.

But wrecking their tools is as good a way as any to fight them.

So wreck their tools.

BTW, Paul Elam's recent article at AVfM, about the uses of gynocentrism to control the masses, is very illuminating in this connection. You should read it.

2:24 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


Also, those "feminist issues" you mentioned - fat issues, women's sexuality, etc.... are not directly in themselves, male-hating. That much is true.

However, those things ARE part of the feminist narrative, and everything pertaining the feminist narrative is of political relevance. If you take a second look, you will find that in almost all of those cases, the power-struggle between the sexes is being addressed on some level . . .

And at the bottom of THAT struggle, male-hatred is always the main driving engine.

I have written on this theme many times.

2:34 PM  
Blogger ScareCrow said...

AVFM has been taken over by a group of lesbo's, sexual deviants and just plain idiots.

I will not bother reading anything on it.

Thanks for suggesting it though.

3:50 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...

AVfM is taking heavy flak from BOTH sides now. They must be doing something right.

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Feminism is the source of the infection, and anything getting in the way of eliminating the main problem is just a burden.

In person or with a real name people are hesistant to attck feminism but I notice that when conversations are online that changes and the more anonymous the conversation is more direct the opposition of feminism becomes.

A lot of issues attacking feminism come from quite simply ignorant, missled and generally unsavvy and gullible people that only know of feminism what the feminists themselves have led them to believe. The manufactured fake definition, that false identity.
And they cling to every misunderstanding they can to feed the denial, to stop themselves from accepting feminism for the enemy it is.
They will say that real feminism is good or that original feminism was good or that the extremist feminists are the only bad ones and a minority or other similar nonesense.
It's all fear and ideology. People are afraid of challenging the status quo or tainting their own reputation, they don't even want to accept the facts when they have them in front because feminism is such an ideologically charged thing for many, it's not a mere political position to be in favor of it but e deep rooted ideological command which has been trained upon them.
There's some people who see feminism as something bad but still have some level of apathy on the matter. They just see the direct and strong opposition of feminism as an overreaction and dismiss the evils of feminism. Those are a problem too because inaction can be dangerous as well and being cynical of criticism of feminism is also bad, it's like a form or reverse denial because instead of seeing feminism as good and refusing to see it for the bad thing it is they see it as bad but refuse to see it for the dangerous and harmful thing it is.
There are certainly many issues around, a lot of people to reach and many ways to do it.
But it can be done. We keep pushing against feminism, openly rejecting it and legitimizing that opinion.
I will be happy the day someone googles feminism and the first page of results has an unbiased perspective on the matter in an online dictionary or wikipedia or urban dictionary or anywhere really and people can start to see the true side of this matter.
It will help with the people in denial a lot and would mark a big step.
But for now simple truths like feminism =/=women or debunking the myth that only radical feminism is bad, or that only the new feminists are bad, will be enough to make a difference.

11:09 PM  
Blogger ScareCrow said...

Both sides.

You make it sound so simple.

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anja Eriud said...

I have begun to realise something else myself, for what it’s worth, feminism has been so successful in camouflaging itself as THE default social paradigm, the lens through which we see and filter everything, that those who express anger or discontent at either men or women without naming feminism, are fighting against the effects of feminism, they are attacking the symptoms of a social, cultural and political disease that has at its source, feminism.

Granted feminism is a mutating virus, and many of its carriers are blindly unaware that they are infected. But the infection manifests itself in their behaviours, their attitudes, the unconscious and unexamined beliefs that inform such behaviours.

The anti-feminist and counter-feminist movements are dragging feminism kicking and screaming into the light of day, shoving it under the microscope of critical thinking, focused examination and dissecting it, piece by piece, cell by cell. Right down to its DNA.

With regard to those who object to feminism being attacked on the basis that it is an attack on women? To be expected, for sometimes it can be as simple as “better the devil you know” and people “know” feminism, or at least they believe, that what they “know” is the truth.

It is hard to persuade or teach someone “the truth” when they already have what they believe IS “the truth”. But, one must persevere, at least in showing people that “the devil you know” is indeed a devil, and one who will demand payment of your soul.................eventually.

6:27 AM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


Your insightful commentary is greatly appreciated, and hopefully we'll see more of it.

Certainly, dissecting feminism down to its psychic DNA is a big part of the project. But the other part is sheer post-argumentalist counter-offensive - the covering bombardment under which counter-feminist intellectual auditing moves forward.

A lot of the tactics that we'll be using are really just feminist tactics that have been reverse- engineered or modified in various ways, and launched back against feminism. This needs to be made clearer...and gradually, will be.

The important thing, is to NAME FEMINISM SPECIFICALLY as the target of operations, and draw a hard, polarizing line between "feminist" and "non-feminist", and to call attention to this line continually until it is etched into the mental landscape as a definitive marker.

2:23 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


The Feminism Poisons Women article (FPW, or the "Monster Manifesto" for short) is still undergoing final tweaking and lint picking. I just might "plagiarize" a snippet or two from your above comment, and incorporate it into FPW. The part about "kicking and screaming", especially, is too good to resist. ;)

2:27 PM  
Anonymous Anja Eriud said...


Plagiarise away good sir, on condition that I may use some of YOUR insights from FPW in an essay I'm preparing?


4:10 PM  
Blogger Fidelbogen said...


Feel free to spread my ideas. That is why I put them out - to be spread! ;)

4:24 PM  

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